That's the 9 loyal Primarchs, all had reasons for staying loyal. With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. Either that or Lukas kills Lucius, takes over his body, and the next person to kill Lucius-in-Lukas's-body triggers the stasis grenade and Lucius is stuck there. Why did the Emperor set up basically tyrannical government. ‘Let me die knowing what you are,’ Guilliman whispered. As proof, he has the support of the Custodes, including the Emissary Imperators themselves. ago. Well, that is why, among other things, both the Custodes and Space Wolves don't trust him. That is not to say that the Emperor wasn't always strong. That being said, Custodes and Guilliman are in good terms, Guilliman has 10 Custodes, 3 terminators and 5 wardens (Custode veterans) and the second highest ranking Csutode as part of his body guards. I believe most Space Marines have some clemency on the issue, but I have had little opportunity to engage any in conversation. It is very likely that the Emperor did more in his trip besides obtain the stuff to create the primarchs. Ruling over his own segment. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. First, when Guilliman was wounded by Fulgrim, Emperor literally pulls Guilliman out of the Warp, keeping him alive long enough to be put into stasis. In this, he would no doubt say he is merely following his father’s will. But the High Lord with overall responsibility for the Imperium's military and defence was referred to as the Lord Guilliman, even millennia later. I understand that you can’t sell a story without emotion, but Guilliman wouldn’t act entirely dissatisfied and depressed. Guilliman is NOT the Emperor and his "forgiveness" would be irrelevant. +++I am an early prototype mechanicus construct. 1 more reply. NONE OF YOU EVER WERE" bit seemed especially hamfisted and everything started to fall apart afterward in terms of the cohesiveness if the writing. He had hoped for better from the Primarch. Right now Chaos has three wayward brothers, and Guilliman could use some help. In current 40k Guilliman recognized he had been too much of a yes-man to the Emperor, back during the Great Crusade he really didn't question him and tried to please him, even in detriment to certain principles he hold dear, this is reflected on how he never read the Lectitio Divinitatus as a way to show his support for the Emperor's Imperial. The infant Guilliman’s capsule fell to earth on Macragge,. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. 'I apologise. Despite the Emperor absolutely detesting Roboute Guilliman and wanting his life support cut off, in the Gathering Storm event of 40k canon, Guilliman finally awakens and has the exact same horrified and furious reaction to the bottomless cruelty and stupidity of the 41st millennium Imperium as the text-to-speech Emperor did. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. He nods to Guilliman, slurs something unintelligibly, then turns and goes back into the Warp. . Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. if any chaos or say xenos dude did the same action with the same ease, in the course of a single book, to the center of. As Guilliman puts it, the Emperor looked upon him as a prisoner who had just been handed a rasp and Guilliman was not the one delivering the rasp but the rasp itself. Guilliman was loyal to the Imperium while believing the Emperor, a man, had died. Ultramar. You could argue that Guilliman, Lion and Russ could distract Horus enough for the emperor to make a deadly blow. Despite her fiery personality Euten was extremely loyal and matronly to Guilliman and the Ultramarines Primarch in turn would share his misgivings and weaknesses with her in private. fandom. Guilliman recoiled from the adoration shining from. I believe this excerpt from Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones gives the clearest answer we've had so far. iirc Guilliuman hunted Fulgrim for two reasons. The emperor lists off several names and titles for him at once when he first addresses guiliman. He heard all these at once. This is the BoLS Team’s Murder on the Orient Express/Ocean’s 11 theory for how it goes down: Eldar use the webway to get everyone into the Throne Room. ’ His voice softened further, becoming yet more human, and his heroic expression did not change exactly, but he somehow became more relatable. Roboute and the Emperor. Primarch Weapons. 6. He had not. The Emperor did not love His sons. CryptoThe Consul said that people needed the light of hope in this dark hour, a shining example of victory to renew their faith not just in the Emperor, but in Guilliman reborn. ’ Mathieu took a step backwards. Guilliman, during the Heresy, chose to keep his forces close to his own realm and even pushed two other primarchs to do the same, writing off the rest of the Imperium and the Emperor. Some daemons can't be killed. He agreed that he would reveal the project to Guilliman when Guilliman returned, millenia ago. It's possible the Emperor could destroy it but the circumstances would have to allow it. ‘He will,’ agreed Guilliman. Together, Konor and Roboute united much of the planet and put forward many neccessary, but unpopular reforms (well, unpopular amongs the. Guilliman has very different goals for the Imperium than the Emperor did. He says He’s just pragmatic, as a single weakness would be exploited by the ruinous. ago. Perhaps he even had this fact in mind, and maybe that's the main reason RG had the statesmanship/political leader trait in…The Lion is loyal to the Emperor, and the Emperor told Guilliman to go and rebuild the Imperium. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been lied to and feels used and betrayed. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its. You cannot replace him. He hates this fallen, dark Imperium, and wishes to restore it to the glory of the pre-Heresy Days. A tankard is whipped at supersonic speeds, smashing the Silent King's head off his shoulders. Option 2: After 10k years of being tortured by a glorified toilet seat, He's got no time to lose on being nice and shit and Guilliman thinking "He must've always. Told Nurgle to piss off when orders to retreat came in and exposed nurgles realm to attack from the emperor. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp. Sure, Guilliman is likely to turn the leadership of Nurceria to newly educated, non-violent ex-slaves while offering Angron a place if he want to deal with bureaucracy. They made sure they left their conquered worlds. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. There was great warpcraft in the weapon. - YouTube 0:00 / 27:34 THE EMPEROR SPEAKS! TRUTH OF HIS CONVERSATION WITH GUILLIMAN! Wolf Lord Rho 120K subscribers Subscribe 9. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. He is less certain whether the same remains true in 40k, but ultimately decides that it does. The Space Marines were to protect humanity and are expendable as such. It was the look of the blindly faithful. Quel Tarin · 3/3/2021. 10. Guilliman didn't know what to say. He was there to watch the primarch. Guilliman is the Imperial Regent - he talked to and got the approval from the Emperor. When he came out he was objectively a usurper. And his status as the Emperor's only living, loyal son does come with a lot of clout; but he can't go beating people over the head with it. You may recall that we teased this battle in the run-up to the launch of Warhammer+ when we took a peek behind the scenes to discover how the Garden of Iax. One might say that the promise of another loyal Primarch existing next to Guilliman would be enough, but I argue differently. "Lorgar’s arguments are persuasive, but are built on several fallacies for all that. Later, on the way to Terra with Guilliman, they all died fighting hordes of khorne daemons, with Amalrich (he is emperor's champion and marshall, not castellan) saving Guilliman from Skarbrand. The Emperor's vision for humanity died the second Magnus 'I didn't do nuffin wrong' the Red fucked the webway project. Khan: would want to reform his legion and operate as a voidborne force. In the wiki, this is described quite briefly: Guilliman was left standing alone before the ornate doorway, dwarfed by its immensity. Guilliman's characterization, as well as the subtlty of his realizations about his father, seemed highly inconsistent with their portrayal in Dark Imperium. And don't forget how "Lord Guilliman" is actually a title that the commander of all Imperium forces held until the War of the Beast. Jarax · 8/9/2017. A cheap tactic. Credits:Rowboat Girlyman art by Adrián Prado: Divina by. The Emperor will tolerate the dreams of his sons–but only insofar as they don't interfere with their actual jobs. The Emperor of the East Roman Empire who even though he tried could not restore the West. A lot of people believe that the Lion will start a civil war against Guilliman after waking up and seeing what the Imperium has become. Guilliman- I’m literally a son of the Emperor. The speculation is that Guilliman goes to talk with the Emperor, and emerges with the Emperors sword. Think about it, Guilliman was the only primarch. They were the only legion permitted to use the Aquilla. someone in canon really needs to tell Guilliman to get the hell off his high horse. That is why he a fundamental decent human being. ’ He heard all these at once. The priest shrugged. Deng is a really random choice, especially given Guilliman's clear Roman ties. Administration. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. To give you a sense of how badly screwed up the Imperium is, one of the first things Guilliman did when he returned was request basically a high-level summary of the timeline for the last 10 millennia. Perhaps him hearing the Emperor say “you were my tools” was just what Roboute thought all along, thus the illusion fit the image. Then calls them over for negotiations, they seem him and can't believe it. It like how scotland has a kilt but we say it is a skirt, different culture different rules. ‘Guilliman. At some point you must realize that there exists things other then governance. ‘He is not my father,’ Guilliman said. ‘Father, I have returned. How petty. ’ A blasphemy intended to provoke the priest. As said in the OP, Leman Russ is the Emperor's executioner. There is a reason why the emperor wanted him to come back first before the lion or any of his other brothers. Horus was a war MASTER as it has been told several times in books. He was there to watch the primarch. My personal theory is it wasn't the Emperor who possessed Guilliman, but his [Guilliman's] presence in the Warp. ’ He heard all these at once. Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. In the wiki, this is described quite briefly: Guilliman was left standing alone before the ornate doorway, dwarfed by its immensity. A subreddit for the lore and stories encompassing the dark future of the Warhammer 40,000 franchise…I'd say its either Marius Gage, Valentus Dolor or Aoenid Thiel. As soon as it turns sunshine and rainbows it's not 40k anymore. ’Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. I'd say stealing away thousands upon thousands of potential Astartes candidates/actual serving Astartes to turn them into improved super soldiers that you then keep hidden until the incredibly edge case scenario of Guilliman coming back to life occurs definitely seems like a total betrayal of the Emperor and his Imperium. There is only survival. I want to see someone roll up to Guilliman and just deliver a blistering, no-holds-barred, "You fuckers all ran off or died or vanished and left us and your father here to fend for our fucking selves, so we did what we had to in order to. It was always the Lion doing stuff Guilliman hated. Dark Imperium: Godblight, the next book in the Dark Imperium series, was announced during the Black Library Preview way back in December 2020. The secudus was the pinnacle of that. It seems that Guilliman is just accepting that some people aren't just going to change because he says so. Or maybe the Emperor was lying for some reason only he could understand. Guilliman- So, better than anyone else in the galaxy, I have the right and knowledge to declare his true nature. Leman Rus stands there, covered in blood, swaying drunkenly. Too late, the Neverborn understood the danger it was in, and tried to flee. Guilliman literally had an empire. The sensation of many minds reached out to Guilliman, violating his senses as they tried to commune, but then one mind seemed to come from the many, a raw, unbounded power, and gave out wordless commands to go out and save what they built together. A Custodian of clear authority strode towards the Throne, with a massive golden hammer in one of his hands and his helm in the other. -Guilliman was misguided in thinking the Emperor was dead, and he did plan on making another Empire. Though he knew that openly purging them for no legal reason other than “I ordered you to” would likely start a civil war even bigger and more destructive than the Horus Heresy. While no-one can actually verify what was spoken of the fact that there was communication suggests the Emperor's may yet be healed. EDIT: lol so many salty Ultra fanboys in this sub in denial about what their mascot actually said and didWhen the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. He did not hear them at all. Leman: “Well frack me and call me a Fenrisian wenches bitch, yer actually did it ye utter mad lad. The humans suffered massively during the Age of Strife, and by the time of the Great crusade, the Fall happened fairly recently, and we have two kinds of. The sun. Magos Lehm, next one. So communication and Travel was more unreliable and harder than normal. Guilliman is going to suffer now that he's back. But the High Lord with overall responsibility for the Imperium's military and defence was referred to as the Lord Guilliman, even millennia later. Practical, the Emperor is not a god. Titus Prayto held his master’s stare and nodded confirmation. Why would Guilliman's political enemies say that the God Emperor ordered Guilliman to nuke an emptied temple-city, when they can say that Guilliman nuked a temple-city of the God Emperor? If they time the announcement right, half the Imperium could be ready to overthrow another Horus before Guilliman can try doing fact-checked damage control. Roboute and the Emperor. Guilliman coming back is so important that the emperor, in "dark imperium: plague wars" uses the most heavy handed methods to preserve him, like posessing a little girl, turning her into a saint and using so much power to kill demons and saving guilliman that the girl turned into ash ( i must however warn that it is a point of contention if the. the most normal and pragmatic of the loyalists, next to Roboute, and would probably be the quickest to understand what Guilliman did. ” Emps: “TO SAY THAT I AM SURPRISED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. He may not have the emperor's strength or intelligence, but he does have the charisma and vision to lead humanity back to the golden age. what Guilliman was planning for was the Imperium's survival after the HH, where the powers that were would be broken down into the powers that be. Because it never happens. Eventually, Mortarian and the Death Guard were summoned back to the Scourge Stars, which had come under threat from the War in the Rift. The Lion closes his eyes. ’ ‘He will kill you, my lord. Inspired and masterminded by the return of the legendary Primarch, the Ultramar Campaign was soon won, with the resurgent Imperial. Practical, the Emperor is not a god. The destinies of primarch and Imperial Regent Roboute Guilliman and his traitorous brother Mortarion come together for the climactic battle of the Plague Wars. There was great warpcraft in the weapon. What horrors you have endured, I cannot imagine. In the long run, if he returned, I imagine he'd eventually butt heads with Guilliman to see how much power over the Imperium Guilliman is willing to cede peacefully. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. It's why the last line of the novel, when the guy asks Guilliman "did the Emperor say he loves us all? I’d also say we could chalk it up to Guilliman making the statement and not the Emperor. 10. He didn't plan on usurping the Emperor, but considering everything that was going on, that's not a bad assumption -Kurze did plan on sapping his morale. He reached out, and the Emperor’s Sword appeared in his hand, and burned with the fires of a thousand suns. The Imperial Cult deified him as a demigod; Guilliman, the Emperor's Avenging Son. King Konor of Macragge was my father. Advertisement. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. Guilliman's return sparked Mortarion's interest in material affairs once more, and for the first time in 10,000 years he decided to lead the whole of the Death Guard in a renewed campaign. ’. "Be at peace , brother," he started , gazing into eyes that were. Context: The Imperials leaders are having a "discussion", regarding the war in the Webway, especially about the Emperor's edict of secrecy. He did not hear then at all. " ♫Dammit, wrong number again♫. Sanguinius dying is as important to the creation of the modern Imperium as Uncle Ben dying is to the creation of Spider-Man. While the emperor wasn't a god at the start, 10000 years of the imperial creed being worshipped over thousands of planets has changed that. When the Emperor appears to Magnus during the Siege, He projects into Magnus’ mind as a glowing sun-god and they burn through the warp together, moving through billions of years in moments. A Space Marine fighting a Primarch by himself. So neutral. There was no hope in this world. There's a reason that famous painting of the Emperor confronting Horus on the Vengeful Spirit has three central figures, and the body of Sanguinius is one of them. Was Roboute Guilliman the chosen heir to the Emperor?General Spoiler Warning to begin as the events. Bare with me because I am only about a third of the way into Dark Imperium so its entirely possible some of these issues will be addressed as the story progresses, but Guilliman appears to be doing the same stupid crap the Emperor did and the Guilliman himself did before he got put in stasis. That he is against the will of the Emperor. 000) the User's Guide for Roboute Guilliman; english isn't my first language; Character Study; Summary. You cannot give up on one without giving up on the other. The vast armies of the Emperor of Earth have conquered the galaxy in a Great Crusade – the myriad alien races have been smashed by the Emperor’s elite warriors and wiped from the face of history. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. One of the most beloved figures in the Imperium, Sanguinius was among both the most noble and mightiest Primarchs. Guilliman and Lorgar together could have built an empire so sound in body and soul it would have outshone the Emperor's wildest dreams. It roared with fire as Guilliman swung it, seeming to flare brighter as it sensed the presence of the daemon caged inside the machine. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. Guilliman has landed at the heart of the Imperium. No random Rogue trader is gonna talk with. The Emperor was never a god, denied He was a god and has been wrongly elevated by men who see power and mistake it for divinity. 219K subscribers in the 40kLore community. Could be that the Emperor did not want to answer but the question arises why he did not. Inevitable and actually really solid for Guilliman as a mechanic. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. Losing faith in the Emperor is losing faith in the Imperium. In anticipation he created 7 new. ” “No, it is too important… even if what you say is true, I cannot return to Caliban yet. There's other ways to give a daemon a true death as well. The chance of them betraying now was very, very low. If this happens, the Custodes could possibly follow Guilliman instead of protecting the throne (if they believe this is the Emperor's will), and thus move towards being their own faction. ‘Tjejren was a servant of the Emperor once. The seeming fact that Dorn held this position in Guilliman's stead until essentially the moment Guilliman arrived, at which point Dorn immediately abdicated and Guilliman took up the role, indicates to me that there was a pre-existing understanding of some sort that Guilliman would take the overall reigns in the Emperor's prolonged absence. Although in his genius Roboute Guilliman excelled at everything Calgar could imagine, in other ways he was a world away from the idealised figure Calgar had imagined all his life. Even with all the work he managed to do, he'd be deemed another horus by all those who believe in the Emperor as a God and it'll be a civil war the imperium can't afford. Sorry if this is a bit ignorant but I’m fairly new to the books (etc). On the face of it, Guilliman has spent every waking moment working. The Emperor and Guilliman complained, his father continuing, "Why the hell would you want it doing that!" "That is an incredibly inefficient method for a rifle. Saying the exact same thing in 40k is heresy of the highest order because in 40k the Emperor is a god and is intrinsic to the Imperium he rules. To top that off, he's alone. He could have stood up for Lorgar, made a case. ago. And now Guilliman lives in his greatest fear: a corrupt, superstitious, tyrannical Imperium. ‘Was he as gifted as they say the Great Angel was?’ ‘He was,’ said Guilliman. Come on now. He did write that the Emperor impresses his abstract thoughts onto people's minds and they interpret that message through their own filter, though. Well, Rogal did say the Emperor's delusions were growing worse. Lion fought Chaos at Caliban and Sang fought and died on Terra. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it againThis quote is from chapter 3 "Rise of the Primarch" of the 2010 sourcebook The Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch (WHF04, published by Fantasy Flight Games). Reply reply. As you say, Guilliman does spend a lot of time in the Heresy on Imperium. So guilliman could be wearing what he sees has a super nice robe, which for us would be like wearing a really fancy suit. The Emperor's Sword is just a sweep attack weapon now and that feels similar to everyone else. Even those Chapter Masters who readily accept him as the wisest among. Or maybe the Emperor was lying for some reason only he could understand. With the Emperor (‘daddy’ to Guilliman, one assumes) out of commission on the Golden Throne, and with the Imperium in disarray and having fallen into ignorance, superstition and totalitarianism, it seems like Guilliman might well be tempted to hit the reset button and try to recreate the Imperium as he believes the Emperor originally. The Minotaurs can say what they want, if Guilliman wants them to charge into the Cicatrix Maledictum then they'll have to go, regardless of their opinion or whomever they think they report to. Hey everyone! Wolf Lord Rho here!Today we discuss the revelation of the Emperor's words to his son, the returned Roboute Guilliman. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. Guilliman had no illusions. ago. Guilliman has returned in glory to the Emperor's side. That is why they talk so freely. Cause he had the biggest legion. Guilliman: Well, at least this one wasn't so bad. ‘Yes,’ Mathieu smiled serenely. We’re all waiting for the biggest showdown looming over the future of 40K – Roboutte Guilliman versus Lion El’ Jonson. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. This is not just any loyal primarch, this is the Lion, and Guilliman has been in a similar situation before. shall we say, not the life of the party. ‘Worship the Emperor, if you must, but I am not deserving of your praise, nor will I. He ascended to sainthood. ’ ‘Thief. At the same time, he's growing more and more unsure that the Emperor ISN'T a god. Within the universe, Guilliman very well may be capable of showing them all a better way (notwithstanding that this "better way" is coming from a man who commits genocide on a Tuesday), which is exactly why out of universe it'll never happen. Because the Khan is moved by a strong sense of justice, while Guilliman is very out of touch with his feelings. Currently Magnus is more potent with the psychic round, but Guilliman's armour's special rules means Guilliman can come back from any death - so tabletop would be interesting. He will fail in this, but therein lies the tragedy of 40k. Gives a speech about the glory of slaying the enemy, but doesn't actually care, just wants to hold the Warband together. So, we know that Guilliman talked with the. Practical, the Emperor is not a god. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. He's no longer the Emperor's assassin. Guilliman was already a governor of 500 world by the time Ullanor rolled around. The Emperor did not love His sons. ‘So my people think he will save them when I cannot?’ Guilliman had asked as he strapped on his ceremonial plate in the Residency’s fitting chamber. The Emperor’s words burned him. Did the emperor love his primarch sons? In the indometus era Guilliman is said to have contemplated this upon his meeting with the Emperor. Guilliman had it easy compared to Angron, but Angron never tried to push past his circumstances and essentially just gave up once the Emperor gave him the War Hounds. . Based on the available information, the Emperor became stronger after his trip to Molech from first hand sources such as Alivia Sureka. Yet Guilliman was always the primarch rooted in reality most, attached. The Emperor had allowed them to love Him, and to believe He loved them in return. Sure the Ultramarines are still around but none of the ones that were alive millennia ago, when Guilliman was last conscious. ’. Within the universe, Guilliman very well may be capable of showing them all a better way (notwithstanding that this "better way" is coming from a man who commits genocide on a Tuesday), which is exactly why out of universe it'll never happen. Probably Magnus kills him, but Guilliman pops back up and continues to inflict damage until he wins. Guilliman returns to Ultramar and counter-attacks. So at the minimum that's one primarch with a similar level of accomplishment as Guilliman before being found again by the Emperor. "Having Guilliman lie is perfectly in-character. ‘Yes,’ Mathieu smiled serenely. He could not countenance the thought. It was to be used as a means of travel and communication, cutting out the two most common uses of psychic powers. NONE of this is to say Guilliman is a bad person. He also probably chooses Guilliman because he's a governor as well as a soldier: the intent would be to show Lorgar that enlightened leadership of mortals was absolutely fine and even encouraged, but it had to be done by the tenets of the Imperial Truth. Guilliman glanced at the warrior sharpening the axe. If He were alive. Look what they have made of our dream. Context: Shortly after the start of the Indomitus-Crusade, an increasing number of Psykers among the. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. As a politicians he was ready to fight for reforms that he thought was right, despite the fact that they would also hurt him and in the end he was killed for doing what was right. The Imperial Regent cannot command the Custodes they dont answer to the emperor, they answer to the Emperor of Mankind. ‘Father?’ The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. Rogal Dorn and Diocletian (the resident Custodes) began to butt head over the issue, so Kaeria the Silent Sister have some thing to say (sign). Guilliman and Sanguinius are THE most reasonable Primarchs, the Lion was butthurt and acted like a. "Listen to me, Roboute," the light ghost hisses. I can't imagine the Lion would go to war with Guilliman if it goes. And that for me makes him a candidate for emperor. His charisma, humility, and loyalty to the Emperor to the point of self-sacrifice has earned him a great deal of reverence, even in. Guilliman would have made a good Warmaster, he would have been able to handle the burdens placed upon him by Terra much better than Horus did, Guilliman already experienced in running a large administration. Well, with less. . He did not hear them at all. While guilliman learns from mistakes and gradually become better, horus is impossibly good. This is not just any loyal primarch, this is the Lion, and Guilliman has been in a similar situation before. ‘Roboute Guilliman. The Lion wouldn't hate what Guilliman has done, Guilliman would hate what the Lion would do. Guilliman is the Emperor’s favorite son. Couple this with him having a hard time. Yet all of them loyal to the Emperor and the Imperium to the core, and so also to each other. By helping Angron, Guilliman would avoid breeding the same kind of animosity that the Emperor did. I gave everything I had to you, to them. Unfortunately, the message was intercepted by the Conqueror, and Lotarra Sarrin is amused at Guillliman's sentimentality. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. 7. As any us would be, Guilliman is rightly upset having been lied to and feels used and betrayed. Oh yeah, and the High Lord killing stuff (though Guilliman more or less repeated what the Emperor did 10k years earlier). ‘His actions enrage you, and yet he eluded you,’ said Guilliman. ‘Never forget that the Emperor protects. ’. ago IndySoccerFan25 SPOILER [Book Excerpt] [Dark Imperium: Plague War] Guilliman and Mortarion have a chat Guilliman and Mortarion finally come face to face, and have a nice chat after being reunited as long lost brothers. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. Konor was a good man. ‘I can never believe that,’ he said. ’ ‘Fight me, you coward,’ growled Guilliman. To destroy what they made. Mathieu was thankfully unmoved. Curze has the truth of it, but I was blinded by my anger. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grevious harm against the equilibrium of time and being. ‘I shall depart today, for the Emperor. ‘Roboute Guilliman.